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angryj5
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| ben wrote: | Ah guys, I'm really dying to own a live CD of one of VT's gigs. But since her performing where I lived is quite a long shot, I'd really appreciate it if some kind soul here would send me a copy. And since that would mean that you would be spending for the shipping, and VT said no money should be involved in this kind of distribution, I can send you a copy of the Asian Edition of Waking Hour CD (or WS, should you prefer) or probably cassette tapes (yes, we still have plenty of cassette tapes this side of the world <_< ) in exchange for your trouble.
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you could do a bnp though the taping/sharing policy still apply, so only recorded songs and pre-approved unrecorded songs are allowed to be shared/traded. |
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ballegre
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| ben wrote: | Ah guys, I'm really dying to own a live CD of one of VT's gigs. But since her performing where I lived is quite a long shot, I'd really appreciate it if some kind soul here would send me a copy. And since that would mean that you would be spending for the shipping, and VT said no money should be involved in this kind of distribution, I can send you a copy of the Asian Edition of Waking Hour CD (or WS, should you prefer) or probably cassette tapes (yes, we still have plenty of cassette tapes this side of the world <_< ) in exchange for your trouble.
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Exchanging money for shipping does not violate the policy. Nor would compensating for the blank CD. I'm no lawyer but this to me would just be common sense. VT is just trying to protect herself from someone profiting from selling live CD recordings. The "spirit" of the policy is not violated in any way that I can see. I'd be shocked if she objected to this type of transaction. If she does object for some reason then just destroy the CD, send it to her via registered mail and case closed. |
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AlphaQuam
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| AngryJ5 is right, B&Ps are where it's at... completely legit. |
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angryj5
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| ballegre wrote: | | Quote: |
Exchanging money for shipping does not violate the policy. Nor would compensating for the blank CD. I'm no lawyer but this to me would just be common sense. VT is just trying to protect herself from someone profiting from selling live CD recordings. The "spirit" of the policy is not violated in any way that I can see. I'd be shocked if she objected to this type of transaction. If she does object for some reason then just destroy the CD, send it to her via registered mail and case closed. |
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exchanging money for anything (shipping blanks time packaging), would violate the copyright laws; and while there is a good chance Vienna may not mind that sort of money exchange, her label and more omportantly her label's lawyers would see otherwise, which would definitely put a bad light on the vienna taping community. be smart, BNP it or do even trades. |
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Michele
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Bumping topic, thanks to Paul for the heads up.
I will update this post with artist permission as I know about it. I am not a lawyer, but as my pea brain understands it, the legal concern is: ASCAP and BMI, the companies that enforce copyright for compositions, may defend their clients' copyrights by sending a cease and desist to people who distribute covers. I only know of one person that this has happened to. I'm pretty sure it wasn't any of the artists Vienna covers, but it's still a concern if the law is to be obeyed strictly. I don't know of any tapers that worry about this.
While this makes online distribution of many shows a pain, since many tapers are not willing to cut the covers out and distribute incomplete recordings, I personally think it's cool that Vienna wants to keep everything legal instead of falling too much into grey area. Damien Rice has the same policy on covers and unreleased songs, and it has caused a huge backlash in the trading community. We are lucky that Vienna has great fans who respect her policy  but it does also mean I chose not to beg more tapers to tape her this year.
Vienna gave me the "covers OK offline" policy a year ago, so those of you who have gotten B&Ps from me have gotten complete recordings with nothing missing.
I need to watch Muse on KROQ, I'll finish this post later ;)
OK I'm back...umm where was I.
Brian Webb - OK, he requests to credit him, link to http://www.brian-webb.com/ in txt files would be good
Noe Venable - will probably say yes
Kyler - will probably say yes
Glen Phillips - will probably say yes
Tori Amos - she's cool with it, her management is very cranky about that kind of stuff though, although they don't go around to MP3 websites asking them to take down live stuff and covers. Tori Tribute is not to be distributed, if so, it will jeopardize a potential official release.
John Denver - don't know
Damien Rice - management never replied to my e-mail :angry:
Pink Floyd - who knows, heh, I will do some research
That's all I can think of at the moment, brain is fried. I will edit the "probably say yes" people when I get real answers from them (all those lovely people are taper friendly). Although I am guessing Vienna will be like "nooooo" when Noe and Glen ask for copies I hope that clears up why some of the songs are not listed in my B&P list. If you haven't asked for a B&P because you thought the songs were missing, or that I didn't have them, be assured that they're ready and waiting to be heard :lol:
I am going to submit Vienna's name to the "pending" list over at archive.org. From there I believe they send her a mail and she confirms, hopefully she'll answer it 
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Vienna
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Just submitted to archive.org (with email). Should be up shortly.
Also updated the original post, with clarification on covers and monetary exchanges. Let me know if anything else needs clearing up. |
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woj
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| Vienna wrote: | | Just submitted to archive.org (with email). Should be up shortly. |
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woj
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| Michele wrote: | | I am not a lawyer, but as my pea brain understands it, the legal concern is: ASCAP and BMI, the companies that enforce copyright for compositions, may defend their clients' copyrights by sending a cease and desist to people who distribute covers. |
a c&d or a "send us royalties"? ianal either but, as i understand things, which may be wrong, there is no legal way for a songwriter to prevent a performer from singing their songs . however, the song writer is entitled to recompense for the performance of the song. venues pay a fee to bmi/ascap for the performance of covers during shows. however, that does not cover the royalities technically due to a songwriter for distribution of an audience recording of the live cover. i'm not sure who would be liable for the payments -- the taper or the performer -- but i'm sure i don't want to be the person who finds out!  like michele says though, this sort of thing is pretty uncommon and i would be surprised to see it prosecuted. but i think that's the legal logic best as i comprehend. |
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Ginny
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I think that it's okay to trade cover songs but not okay for money to be made off of it, like Vienna can't sell a live recording with a cover on it without the songwriter receiving royalties. I *think* Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. A few years ago a copyright lawyer came and did a talk about all this in one of my classes, but I'm in the process of packing to move and all my old school stuff is in boxes so I can't grab my notes, nor do I remember all the details of what was said... ~G
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Vienna
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Thanks for the feedback...the policy's been amended to give the full OK to covers, so long as songwriters are credited. Knock yourselves out.
By the way: it's an honor that people would want to tape, share and listen to recordings of these shows. Thanks, guys. It's a little scary for me, since I know how imperfect a lot of my performances are. But it keeps me honest, and it's good to have a record of how things are evolving. |
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Dale
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| Vienna wrote: | Thanks for the feedback...the policy's been amended to give the full OK to covers, so long as songwriters are credited. Knock yourselves out.
By the way: it's an honor that people would want to tape, share and listen to recordings of these shows. Thanks, guys. It's a little scary for me, since I know how imperfect a lot of my performances are. But it keeps me honest, and it's good to have a record of how things are evolving. |
scary for you vienna, but sorta refreshing for us - a lot of times it difficult even photographing a concert much less recording it LOL
i think i'm going to try to catch your vancouver show at the Media Club when u come to town
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Jefferey
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Eric,
Are there still web space and/or bandwidth issues? That post was from a while ago, and much has changed in the realm of web hosting prices since then. However, I recently moved the website I manage to a new host that I think is a good deal. I can give more details if you are interested. |
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Ghost of Tom Joad
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| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: Thank you |
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Hello,
I just want to express my gratitude for Vienna's taping policy. I have collected hundreds of recordings by now (especially U2 and Springsteen) and living in a grey zone is not good. Friends usually ask me if this is legal or not, and giving a clear answer is difficult particulary if it comes to such major artists.
Therefore I really appreciate that Vienna cares about some freaks like us taping and collecting each and every concert. A lot of major artists just do not care about us or even try to sue their most loyal fans. There is really something going very wrong with those major lables.
I have just explored Vienna at archive.org and have been blown away by the amount of recordings available since Vienna is not yet as popular as she is supposed to be.
I am happy that you, Vienna, seem to be one of those down-to-earth artists going for the music and not for the money. And this attitude is reflected in your music and performances.
And when you come to Germany which will be hopefully in the near future, you can be sure that there will be a taper around
Greetings and best wishes from Germany |
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cmooreNC
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Ghost -
I like the Springsteen reference with your board name.
Welcome to the VT forum. I think you'll find we're a quite friendly bunch here. Hope you'll join in with comments from time to time.
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Trialia
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If there are still any bandwidth/storage issues, I have way more bandwidth than I can ever use (almost in the terabytes now!), so I'd be happy to help. Just dropping this in here.
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