No Gringo (Lyrics)

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Postby Ang Mo » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:33 am

We were talking about the song No Gringo which if I carefully lay my head flat on a desk and drive a sharp pencil into my eardrum while listening to the song I can actually hear the lyrics change to No Ang Mo but don't try this at home kids, only shape shifters like myself can pull a trick like this.

It is a cool song, so different from any of the rest on all four albums. I love the radical departure from her usual style. I often wonder if she wrote it while in a Mexican Restaurant during one of her birthday celebrations where they put the giant sequin sombrero on her head and everyone sang Happy Birthday in spanish to her (I read somewhere Vienna has a love affair with Mexican food) or did she write it during her stay at old Richard Nixon's stomping grounds out in San Clamente. Something to ask her if she is gracious enough to let us have another Q&A.
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Re: No Gringo (Lyrics)

Postby Lirulin » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:14 am

Alya wrote:
oh Chicago don't forget me
as the miles between us grow
keep the maple tree carved with the name of my love
the hills we would sled race down
Lake Michigan stay endless and painted in sky
goodbye




Erm...Chicago doesn't really have hills substantial enough for sledding, as far as I know. It's really pretty much completely flat, topography-wise. Minor point, I know, but it niggles at me every time I listen to the song!

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Re: No Gringo (Lyrics)

Postby Reileen » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:06 am

Lirulin wrote:
Alya wrote:
oh Chicago don't forget me
as the miles between us grow
keep the maple tree carved with the name of my love
the hills we would sled race down
Lake Michigan stay endless and painted in sky
goodbye




Erm...Chicago doesn't really have hills substantial enough for sledding, as far as I know. It's really pretty much completely flat, topography-wise. Minor point, I know, but it niggles at me every time I listen to the song!

I kept thinking about that too! I was thinking, well, there ARE places in the suburb of Hickory Hills (near where I live, Burbank) that are very, very hilly, but that's at least 45 minutes south of the main city. Plus I'm not sure where the grassy hills are, I'm thinking more of the streets. XD
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Re: No Gringo (Lyrics)

Postby roofboy179 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:37 am

Reileen wrote:
Lirulin wrote:
Alya wrote:
oh Chicago don't forget me
as the miles between us grow
keep the maple tree carved with the name of my love
the hills we would sled race down
Lake Michigan stay endless and painted in sky
goodbye




Erm...Chicago doesn't really have hills substantial enough for sledding, as far as I know. It's really pretty much completely flat, topography-wise. Minor point, I know, but it niggles at me every time I listen to the song!

I kept thinking about that too! I was thinking, well, there ARE places in the suburb of Hickory Hills (near where I live, Burbank) that are very, very hilly, but that's at least 45 minutes south of the main city. Plus I'm not sure where the grassy hills are, I'm thinking more of the streets. XD


... there's always the roofs of Chicago. IMPROVISATION! :D

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Postby Ang Mo » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:20 am

Chicago is a very big city and I kind of hear it is windy too, :wink: so maybe there is a grassy park with trees and hills where kids take their sleds.

Needless to say, No Gringo is one of my favorites on the new album.
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Postby Steve » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:27 pm

I still tell people I grew up in Chicago, even though it was in a western suburb. We had sledding hills aplenty. That area has lots of glacial moraine and is surprisingly hilly, so I don't have any problem with the image Vienna chose.

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Postby Reileen » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:10 am

Steve wrote:I still tell people I grew up in Chicago, even though it was in a western suburb. We had sledding hills aplenty. That area has lots of glacial moraine and is surprisingly hilly, so I don't have any problem with the image Vienna chose.

Which suburb are you from? :)

I have heard from another friend of mine (Chicago suburb native) who says that she knows people who get absolutely irate if you say you're from Chicago but you're actually from one of the suburbs, lol. I usually just say "Chicago" 'cause it's an easier reference point, plus I go to college right near the city so I feel like I kind of live there anyway.
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Postby Isiolith » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:57 am

I know people (I'm from downstate Illinois and currently reside about two-and-a-half hours south of Chicago) from Chicago who are like that, too. They think that if you're from the 'burbs, you're not a "real" Chicagoan. I say to each his or her own. ;-)

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Postby marathonmark » Tue May 25, 2010 12:23 am

Arizona's burning...

Seems prophetic now.

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Postby Reileen » Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:43 am

Reporting on the behemoth blizzard that swept through Chicago (and other parts of the Midwest) yesterday/today, the local news showed footage of some folks making the best of the weather by going sledding down some hills in their area (can't remember exactly where). Alas, there are no hills in my area...
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Postby Michele » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:56 am

Reileen wrote:Reporting on the behemoth blizzard that swept through Chicago (and other parts of the Midwest) yesterday/today, the local news showed footage of some folks making the best of the weather by going sledding down some hills in their area


Maybe we can say the entire album is framed in a big sci-fi fictional world/alternate reality.

You start with the cover, where she's leaving that brown dead place to go to the green inland territory.

In this world, The Last Snowfall is happening, (well, maybe that part's the world she's leaving...), In Another Life took place in chronological order, Augustine's pronounced correctly, No Gringo, Radio, and Watershed are really happening, there's hills in Chicago, and the area of St. Stephen's Cross really has a world-altering event taking place.

There. Inconsistencies with our reality are all explained away now!

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Re: No Gringo (Lyrics)

Postby Ang Mo » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:29 pm

.........the lyrics of No Gringo have a similar reflection of a passage from a very good book I am reading at the moment:
God saying, here it is, the new Eden, and it is yours because you the Lordly Westerners, the fierce Caucasian-Gentile-Visigoths, believed in me and the outlandish Jewish Event even though you were nowhere near it and had to hear the news of it from strangers. But you believed and so I gave it all to you, gave you Israel and Greece and science and art and the lordship of the earth, and finally even gave you the new world which I blessed for you. And all you had to do was pass one little test, which was surely child's play for you because you had already passed the big one. One little test:
here's a helpless man in Africa, all you have to do is not violate him. That's all
One little test: you flunk!


Just an outstanding book. So much insight.................
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Re: No Gringo (Lyrics)

Postby razz » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:55 pm

Ang Mo wrote:.........the lyrics of No Gringo have a similar reflection of a passage from a very good book I am reading at the moment:
God saying, here it is, the new Eden, and it is yours because you the Lordly Westerners, the fierce Caucasian-Gentile-Visigoths, believed in me and the outlandish Jewish Event even though you were nowhere near it and had to hear the news of it from strangers. But you believed and so I gave it all to you, gave you Israel and Greece and science and art and the lordship of the earth, and finally even gave you the new world which I blessed for you. And all you had to do was pass one little test, which was surely child's play for you because you had already passed the big one. One little test:
here's a helpless man in Africa, all you have to do is not violate him. That's all
One little test: you flunk!


Just an outstanding book. So much insight.................


Ang- What is the title of the book. Who wrote it?

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Re: No Gringo (Lyrics)

Postby Ang Mo » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:48 am

The book is called "Love in the Ruins" by Walker Percy who is one of my favorite writers. Some of my favorite quotes from his books:

The present age is demented. It is possessed by a sense of dislocation, a loss of personal identity, an alternating sentimentality and rage which, in an individual patient, could be characterized as dementia


Have you ever noticed that only in times of illness, disaster, or death are people real?


We love those who know the worst of us and don't turn their face away.


You live in a deranged age, more deranged than usual, because in spite of great scientific and technological advances, man has not the faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing


You can get all A's and still flunk life.


Pascal told only half the story. He said man was a thinking reed. What man is, is a thinking reed and a walking genital


Fiction doesn't tell us something we don't know, it tells us something we know, but don't know that we know


I believe in God and the whole business, but I love women best, music and science next, whiskey next, God fourth, and my fellow man hardly at all


Anyway, I have enjoyed his books. I have not read all of them, but I am getting closer to that goal. He died back in 1990. I wish I could have met him.I think he is brilliant, an enlightened being, very gifted with a tremendous sense of humor. I read his books and I bust up laughing and they are insightful and make you think.
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Re: No Gringo (Lyrics)

Postby Ang Mo » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:57 am

“The peculiar predicament of the present-day self surely came to pass as a consequence of the disappointment of the high expectations of the self as it entered the age of science and technology. Dazzled by the overwhelming credentials of science, the beauty and elegance of the scientific method, the triumph of modern medicine over physical ailments, and the technological transformation of the very world itself, the self finds itself in the end disappointed by the failure of science and technique in those very sectors of life which had been its main source of ordinary satisfaction in past ages.

As John Cheever said, the main emotion of the adult Northeastern American who has had all the advantages of wealth, education, and culture is disappointment.

Work is disappointing. In spite of all the talk about making work more creative and self-fulfilling, most people hate their jobs, and with good reason. Most work in modern technological societies is intolerably dull and repetitive.

Marriage and family life are disappointing. Even among defenders of traditional family values, e.g., Christians and Jews, a certain dreariness must be inferred, if only from the average time of TV viewing. Dreary as TV is, it is evidently not as dreary as Mom talking to Dad or the kids talking to either.

School is disappointing. If science is exciting and art is exhilarating, the schools and universities have achieved the not inconsiderable feat of rendering both dull. As every scientist and poet knows, one discovers both vocations in spite of, not because of, school. It takes years to recover from the stupor of being taught Shakespeare in English Lit and Wheatstone's bridge in Physics.

Politics is disappointing. Most young people turn their backs on politics, not because of the lack of excitement of politics as it is practiced, but because of the shallowness, venality, and image-making as these are perceived through the media--one of the technology's greatest achievements.

The churches are disappointing, even for most believers. If Christ brings us new life, it is all the more remarkable that the church, the bearer of this good news, should be among the most dispirited institutions of the age. The alternatives to the institutional churches are even more grossly disappointing, from TV evangelists with their blown-dry hairdos to California cults led by prosperous gurus ignored in India but embraced in La Jolla.

Social life is disappointing. The very franticness of attempts to reestablish community and festival, by partying, by groups, by club, by touristy Mardi Gras, is the best evidence of the loss of true community and festival and of the loneliness of self, stranded as it is as an unspeakable consciousness in a world from which it perceives itself as somehow estranged, stranded even within its own body, with which it sees no clear connection.

But there remains the one unquestioned benefit of science: the longer and healthier life made possible by modern medicine, the shorter work-hours made possible by technology, hence what is perceived as the one certain reward of dreary life of home and the marketplace: recreation.

Recreation and good physical health appear to be the only ambivalent benefits of the technological revolution.

Home might be where the heart is, but it is no place to be on a Sunday afternoon....................
--the only adults who are never depressed: chuckleheads, California surfers, and fundamentalist Christians who believe they have had a personal encounter with Jesus and are saved once and for all. Would you trade your depression to become any of these?


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